atheism and science

“There is no God.” – is a statement of faith, not of science.  Really, the statement is an assertion.

People who self identify as atheists often think that science supports their chosen position or is “on their side”.  True, many in the scientific community are atheists and others say they are agnostic.  And, that is the danger.  Those people of science have much prestige and command much respect in today’s world.  Yet, science has its limitations.  (Gasp)  Yes, it really does have limitations albeit you rarely hear such talk from those in science.

 

 

Science is not competent to make a determination on the existence or non-existence of God.  Why?  Science deals with the physically observable and the physically measurable.  Anything that is not physical or does not give detectable evidence of physical characteristics cannot be detected, observed or measured by science.  (We are including here non-material electro-magnetic energy as being physical for purpose of our discussion.)

To deny the possibility of the existence of the Spiritual is not scientific.  For those scientists, technicians and engineers who are intellectually honest, there should be no difficulty with this admission.  (As well, we do not attempt to link the Spiritual with quantum mechanics or so-called Dark Matter or Dark Energy.)  The honest (full disclosure) response by those in science is: “Science cannot answer the question as to God’s existence because science is not able to.  The question and answer fall outside the realm of science.”  When those in science attempt to answer the question of God’s existence, they cannot rely on science and must invoke reason (or for some, emotion), logic, philosophy, etc.  Their answers may be no more than conjecture and mental speculation.  This is something to bear in mind.

We must be careful not to allow our great respect for science, and our infatuation with its many discoveries in recent decades, to serve to make science into something it is not.  Science is not, and cannot be, all-knowing, nor is it infallible (just study the history of science).  Science is not competent to address questions of human purpose and meaning in life.  Science is not the final arbiter on many questions and challenges facing modern man. Science and scientific progress should be thought of as aids to man and not as ends in themselves.  Science is not a substitute for spiritual faith or even for religious belief.  Let us not turn our respect for science and scientists into scientism.  A healthy skepticism of, and objectivity towards science is appropriate.  We have cautioned readers on this blog in past posts that humans need to govern their religious fervor with reason or risk degenerating into fanaticism.  Similarly, people need to be careful not to give science and scientists undue deference.

Even the human intellect has limitations.  A humbling thought to be sure.

The atheist position that there is no God is not a scientific position.  The atheist makes a statement of faith (or, perhaps we could call it “anti-faith”) and cannot honestly say that science supports such a statement.  The new atheism that goes even further and asserts that God cannot possibly exist shows a close mindedness that is fanatical and anti-scientific.

Just food for thought.

We will be addressing a related issue in the near future.  Stay tuned.

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12 thoughts on “atheism and science

  1. Great thoughts, Larry.

    Two further points –

    1) Heisenberg’s Uncertainty Principle points out the limits of science; it is not possible to know both the position and the velocity of a particle at a specific instant. We simply can’t know ‘everything’ through science.

    2) The British astronomer Fed Hoyle calculated the odds against the spontaneous formation of the 2000 amino acids needed for the formation of life (just the amino acids, mind) at ten to the fortieth power to one. The universe would have to be in totality an primordial organic soup for that to have anything like a viable chance.

    Against those, the arguments trotted out for the development of life, let alone consciousness, seem a bit far-fetched.

    • Thanks Andrew for commenting.

      Fred Hoyle wrote some science fiction novels that I recall reading many years back. If I am not mistaken, he had been an atheist or agnostic for many years of his adult life before coming to his belief.

  2. Please don’t waste any more server farm energy on your simple-minded “musings.” Science has everything to say about human “faith,” none of it good. Science rejects immaterialism, as Julien Musonnio points out winningly in his fine book “The Soul Fallacy.” To call atheism “anti-science” is ridiculous – where do you find such hilariously wrong thoughts?
    You have no evidence whatsoever to speak of when it comes to this here god-nonsense, so just give it a rest.

    • Your comment speaks for itself. Readers of the comments can make up their own minds.

      Apparently, I touched a raw nerve. 😉

      This preceding commenter just submitted another comment that was insulting and did not add anything to the discussion so his comment was not approved and he is banned from commenting on this blog. Readers can carefully read his first comment and see that he missed the entire point of the post above. People ought to think before they submit their comments.

      • That commenter perfectly illustrates the point that you were making, Larry. I would bet ten bucks that he’s a Jew. This is exactly how (almost all) Jews think. They totally abhor any notion of “spiritual values”, such as God, patriotism, loyalty, honor, courage, etc. At least 90% of Jews are atheists or agnostics. They believe in only a material world. If they can’t see it, hear it, or touch it, it doesn’t exist. I’m personally sick of these people (have been for a long time), and this is one of the main reasons for that. Jews want to deny God, so that they can BECOME gods! They want to rule the world and have all non-Jews become their slaves, because they have absolutely no sense of a higher power than themselves.

      • Stephen, while I agree that a majority of Jews are either atheist or agnostic (or are like the Jewish politicians in the US Congress that go to a Jewish Temple once in a while as a photo op, but are not believers), there are many, many atheists who are not ethnic Jews.

        You are correct that people who do not have a moral compass usually do not live moral lives and are only out for themselves, so to speak. Many atheists do not want for there to be a God as they do not live very moral lives.

        The Talmud is a book filled with verses that are anti-Christ and anti-Christian. (We blogged on this way back in the autumn of 2012.) The Talmud is what informs modern Judaism. From the Talmud, the Jews derive their ethno-centric chauvinism. As to patriotism, Jews usually condemn nationalism and espouse internationalism. Remember, Communism was largely a Jewish thing, and it called for worldwide revolution. Multiculturalism in Europe, Canada, the US, etc. is an attack on our Christian heritage and Western Civilization. Note the nationalist politicians in Britain, France and Austria today – they are often labelled “Nazis” or called “anti-Semitic”.

        As to loyalty, I would point out that a concern on the minds of some folks is that our new US president has many Jews in advisory roles to him. I do not know what their influence will be over time. But, there have been many Jews in government roles who were dual loyalists. In foreign policy, we (the US) ought not be a spear carrier or water boy for Israel.

      • Those people who are not Jewish but are atheists are usually Freemasons. I have heard Freemasonry described as “Judaism for gentiles”, and Jews totally control Freemasonry. The underlying goal of Freemasonry is that of Judaism – to wipe Christianity off the face of the earth. They will employ every means available to accomplish this goal, including flooding formerly Christian nations with radical Muslims. These people are totally evil, and I have no patience with them. They need to be removed from society once and for all. Christians are making a huge mistake in believing that Jews are their friends, and that we live in a “Judeo-Christian” nation. This is nonsense. Jews are the ones subverting Christianity everywhere you look, from taking prayer out of the public schools, to legalizing same-sex marriage. They do this because they don’t believe in God, and therefore have no use for His commandments.

        I’m aware of all the Jews around Trump, and this has been no small concern of mine. Especially his son-in-law Jared Kushner. But Trump made a remarkable statement just the other day, which almost floored me. He told Bibi Netanyahu that additional Israeli settlements were a threat to world peace, and they should be halted. I never expected Trump to say this, but I am very glad that he did. This is telling me that he is not just another Zionist stooge, but his own man. Very refreshing to see.

      • Yes, it may just be that his handlers do not fully control Trump. Great comment, Stephen.

        I have differences with both Catholics and Protestants, but we better start defending Christianity or our society is going to get even worse.

      • I make a huge distinction between Christianity and what I call “Churchianity”. What goes on in the churches is (for the most part) an abomination. I haven’t been to a church in over ten years now, and am none the worse for it. Churches were actually turning me into an atheist before I left.

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